Army Base Shooting Open Thread

5 11 2009

aa proud armyThis is not going to turn out good no matter what we learn about this brutal attack today at FORT HOOD, Texas. So far we know of 12 people killed.

The other thing we know is… there may have been more than one shooter. This leaves me to guess this may be terrorism.

Gio-

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5 11 2009
Eowyn

12 killed, 31 wounded.

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended.

Hasan’s motive unclear.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938

5 11 2009
Eowyn

Fort Hood is the largest military base in America, has lost more soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan than any other military facility, and after eight years of constant deployments had more than its fair share of highly-stressed soldiers and dependents even before last night’s shootings. The 1st Cavalty and 4th Infantry Divisions had already lost 685 men and women….

Pual Dirksmeyer, a chaplain of the 1st Cavalry Division, spoke of the “emotional carnage” – the broken marriages, the mental afflictions of returning soldiers, the frayed nerves of the families left behind, the occasional suicides, desertions and instances of soldiers suddenly running amock.

Major Ben Phillips, a psychologist, estimated that 15 to 30 per cent of returning soldiers had psychological problems, mostly post-traumatic stress disorder or traumatic brain injuries. He said the soldiers’ vulnerability to psychological disorders increased with each deployement, and equivocated when asked if they were being sent back into action before they were fully recovered.

Wives told of their husbands checking beneath their cars for bombs before leaving for KMart, accelerating under bridges or swerving past old tyres on the road as if they were still in Baghdad. One 32-year-old soldier recalled panicking in a crowded mall one day and laying a man out because “it made me feel I was back in the markets of Tikrit”.

Charlotte Graves, guidance councillor at the Smith Middle School on Fort Hood’s Tank Destroyer Boulevard, talked of wives being unable to cope alone and cheating on their absent husbands, and of the problems couples faced when the husbands did return. “They are constantly watching their backs. They are constantly on the alert, and the least little thing can set these guys off. They don’t tolerate a lot of stuff.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6905481.ece

5 11 2009
giovanniworld

Eowyn,

All this is excellent information, but considering this guy had accomplice/s I’m betting on a terrorist style attack. This with the addition of his name leads me to wonder if this has been in the works for a long time.

We all need to pass on some prayers to the families of all those touched by this mad-man!

Gio-

5 11 2009
Eowyn

Gio,

I posted the info from the UK’s Times because there’s just so little we have on this right now. Given that the shooter’s name is Malik Hasan, one is certainly tempted to think he was Muslim.

The truth will be out!

5 11 2009
giovanniworld

They were just talking about this live on Fox News. Major Bob Scales says that the shooter was very professional and very selective with his shooting. He also said that this was not the act of some guy that suddenly went crazy.

So far, not looking good.

Gio-

5 11 2009
grannywithapitchfotk

My heart and prayers go out to all those people. Good grief, they have enough problems. Now, let the spin begin. I don’t even want to think about what the coward-in-thief and his administration are going to do with this.

Praying

Granny

5 11 2009
Jess

More on the attack on Fort Hood here:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

5 11 2009
giovanniworld

Jess,

Thanks for the link. I read most of what was written about todays brutal attacks and whoever wrote the following put a smile on my face… “Shepard Smith, that silly woman, keeps calling it a tragedy. It is an act of war.” However, it’s the only time I have smiled today since learning of the killings by this Hasan SOB. The only way to remember this day will be to eat pork and recite the Lords Prayer. This should short-circuit any ideas of making this guy out to be some sort of martyr.

Gio-

P.S. May all that died sit at the right hand of God!

5 11 2009
Eowyn

Esp. the heroic civilian policeman who shot & killed the jihadist mass murderer. May he rest in the bosom of God.

5 11 2009
giovanniworld

That shootout with the police officer is a bit strange. He killed the scum-bag yet also died. Something about that just doesn’t feel right, and that’s why I think their may have been more than one killer.

At this point only God knows.

Gio-

5 11 2009
Eowyn

Thanks, Jess. The Atlas Shrugs website is most informative.

5 11 2009
Dave

What the hell was this Hasan character doing in the U.S. Army?

The more I am hearing, the more it sounds like this guy was yet another Islamic radical that has managed to infiltrate our military or convert once he got in, and has now killed other American soldiers.

How many more time are these camel-washers in our military going to blow up or shoot our soldiers before the idiot politicians and desk-driving military brass in Washington finally figure out that allowing them in our military may just not be a good idea?

What will it take? Sabotaging a submarine? Blowing up a carrier and sending it to the bottom? What?

Why don’t we just go ahead and process those clowns at GITMO into the U.S. military.

Might as well.

-Dave

5 11 2009
giovanniworld

Dave,

I learned about what happened late in the day, but from the first moment I heard this had happened at an Army base, I knew. Don’t ask me how I knew, I just did. Plus, connecting the dots in this case is a no-brainer.

Your GITMO idea is a good one, but I can go one better. All GITMO detainees get released immediately. Each detainee upon be processed out of GITMO gets $1,000,000 dollars, their choice of 5 weapons, new identities, and maps to the most crowded undefended places in the USA. Heck, while we’re at it, let’s give them each a nice hummer and pre-programm the Garmin unit to get them right to the door of the most vulnerable place in the country. Too bad the WH is guarded so heavily!

After they kill a boat-load of innocent citizens we can take them to court and fine them $100 dollars. That’ll show em!

Gio-

5 11 2009
grannywithapitchfotk

I had another thought, which I just posted on Granny with a Pitchfork, and which is probably too tinfoil hat for most people. It has to do with diversion. Think about it.

Love Granny

5 11 2009
Cec Moon

Concurrent Tragedy

With limited solid information coming out of Fort Hood with critical identification on the perpetrators of that massive crime we see yet one more confusing, yet alarming, happening in our country.

Ever since last January, there has been an event which overshadowed the execution of government to distract the masses from a full realization of actual events. You don’t need prompting to recall this occurring with regularity. Some extraneous issue seems to arise to accompany each concurrent event in congress or the executive branch to provide “breaking news” cover to some nefarious activity.

The tragedy at Fort Hood is conveniently occupying the news tonight at the expense of coverage of the impending socialized medicine vote on Saturday. Tomorrow (Friday) will be totally occupied with reports from Texas, searches for motives, casualty counts, and pundits scratching their collective heads to justify the action of the person responsible. Pelosi has announced her intention to bring the legislation to the floor for a vote Nov. 7th.

This modus operendi has been part and parcel of each and every offensive move in the assault on America that the current administration calls governance. With the words of Rahm Emmanuel ringing in our ears, “don’t let a good crisis go to waste,” it is apparent that there is never any intention to do so. My suspicious nature demands to know whether Pelosi knew of the events before or after she announced the vote. If it was before, then we see a golden opportunity presented to the administration. If it was after, was their any complicity in triggering the event?

For those without military experience who wonder how it is possible to be in the presence of an armed population who were unable to halt this carnage, please understand that on U.S. military bases, arms and ammunition only come together under tightly controlled circumstance. One carries weapons to a range and only when you take a position on the firing line are you issued the appropriate ammo. No person is allowed to carry both on any unauthorized basis and without a stated purpose. Trainees are constantly supervised and discovery of any loose rounds in their possession is a serious offense.

It is possible that my “BS” (that would be “believability suspension”) meter is on a too sensitive setting. It could be my age and experience has brought me to that condition. Given the brief history of this administration the device sounds the alarm almost daily and I respond. Give it some thought.

5 11 2009
jocaasbe

It comes as no surprise to me and most other thinking people that this man was a Muslim. I don’t see how the U.S. Military can continue to allow followers of allah (lower case intentional. He’s no god to me) to enter into service. We are but “dogs” in their eyes. I read a report on Fox that he had been blogging (unconfirmed) about the merits of dying for one’s beliefs; that people that are martyred are heroes. I don’t see a good answer for the Muslim dilemma. They believe what they believe and there’s no changing it. It’s like a disease. I agree with Granny and Cec Moon, keep your eyes open.

5 11 2009
5 11 2009
giovanniworld

Damn!

I guess the only bright spot with him being alive is… at least now he won’t be a martyr and we can feed him PORK!

Gio-

6 11 2009
Tom in NC

The hell with feeding him at all, better yet just spray him from head to toe with pigs blood and don’t wash it off.

6 11 2009
giovanniworld

I can go along with that!

Gio-

6 11 2009
Steve

OK what am I missing. Here’s the first few lines from the link that Jess posted..And he was not thrown out.or had at least 2 MP’s sitting on his head at all times. I mean this is the military were talking about. They don’t believe in PC bullshit do they….so why was this guy allowed to ‘Be” ,given Allah on his door and bomb making 101″……….sheesh……heads should roll

“Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a U.S. citizen whose parents are Palestinians from the West Bank, according to the Washington Post.

He wrote Allah on his door, according to a neighbor, in Arabic. Allah on the door.

Hasan was put on probation early in his postgraduate work at the Uniformed Service University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. He was disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues, according to the source, who worked with him at the time. NPR

Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case”

6 11 2009
DCG

Concur with Dave, get all the radical muslims out of our military and country NOW! They are set on killing Americans at any and all cost. That is their only goal. Islam, the religion of peace my arse. Those revolutionaries are praising this piece of sh*t:

http://www.revolutionmuslim.com/

6 11 2009
Pinandpuller

Keep in mind the recent muslim convert who shot the two soldiers outside the recruiting station in Arkansas. Didn’t the police look into him for a while as well? Political Correctness is a death sentence.

6 11 2009
Doc's Wife

This crazy from yesterday also was heard praising what was done in Arkansas! Wonder what out dear Muslim president is going to do about all of this___NOTHING! I have a gut feeling that somethind big is being covered up here!

6 11 2009
littlemissmuffin

Here’s how much BHO cares for our soldiers: Twelve soldiers were murdered in cold blood at Fort Hood. Thirty others were wounded. Our Commander in Chief calls a press conference and begins it with a long thanks to the Interior Department and Indians who just concluded a conference and then gives a good natured “shout out” to an attendee , all with a studied nonchalance, before he even mentions the outrage on our military base.

6 11 2009
Tom in NC

This stupid, insensitive, shit scarfing, son-of-a-bitch, 12, COUNT EM OBAMA, 12 SOLDIERS have been murdered by a rag head bastard muslim on only our largest military base and you begin by talking about some meaningless indian conference and mentioning a Medal of Honor recipient, who in fact IS NOT a Medal of Honor recipient. This could have been the begining of a coordinated attack on our country and he appears to not only not give a damn but smiling and joking around like it is something to celebrate. The absolute rage I feel about this maggot (and from now on I will NOT refer to him as president, man or even a person) will not be extinguished until it is impeached, rendered powerless after the 2010 elections and/or voted out of office in 2012.

Please excuse my language, but this maggot brings out the pure hatred in me, and if I offended anyone at Gio’s World, I apologize.

6 11 2009
Steve

Eff Him and the horse he rode in on………….that’s it…………Shout out’s He is a pig . He doe’s not deserve any respect from any one. It takes him 2 and 1/2 friggen minutes to get to it. If I say what I’m thinking…….Stevie go bye bye in the middle of the night……………..I do not think I’ve ever been angrier than this.This is the final nail in his coffin for me. I will man every phone bank and knock on doors……..anything to defeat The Anti-Christ……….Batsnot

6 11 2009
Tom in NC

I know what you men Steve, I had to seriously bite my tongue, if I had typed everything my brain was thinking I would probably be locked away and never see the light of day again.

6 11 2009
Steve

Tom, Maybe they would give us adjoining cells. Seriously, I know how angry and so am I , but one slip of the keystroke could spell trouble. Worm infested maggot works for me though……….I will not call him barry any more…That was the least I figurred I could call him…..small b and all But I will be creative and try and think of new discriptors each time. Don’t blow a blood vessel buddy……….Steve

6 11 2009
littlemissmuffin

Here I thought the photo op at Dover was the worst slap-in-the-face that BHO could give our military. Even the NBC station in Chicago thinks this is insensitive. Note at the top of the page that a pregnant Chicago woman was among the victims:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

My sympathy and prayers go out to all the victims.

6 11 2009
DCG

Disconnected? Since when has The Traitor ever been connected? Piece of slime doesn’t give a rats arse about anything but himself. He is a disgrace to our country and our troops.

Hope all those Obamabots are pleased with this pathetic excuse of a CIC. Good grief, and we have three more years of this pretender. AAAGGGHHHH

6 11 2009
DCG

Solders’ Angels has this posted on their web site re: Fort Hood: RIGHT NOW: Collecting encouraging notes and NEW stuffed animals for the families and children of the injured or killed. Please send cards/letters and stuffed animals (and anything NEW that may brighten the life of a child) to:

Soldiers’ Angels
4408 PanAm Expressway
San Antonio, TX 78218

8 11 2009
Jess

George W. Bush and Laura visited Fort Hood to offer support and comfort to our soldiers (no photo op, just there to support the families):

http://www.thefoxnation.com/george-w-bush/2009/11/07/george-w-bush-visits-fort-hood

And Obama’s Saturday schedule:

http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/11/07/president-obamas-saturday-schedule/

Words fail me.

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