A Viable Third Party?

28 10 2009
conservatives united

Created by the ingenious GiovanniWorld member bkeyser!

This article was written by a leftie. This makes it even more interesting because the author thinks a conservative third party may well be viable.

~Eowyn

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Palin and the Constitutionalists

HERE COMES THAT THIRD PARTY

By Jayne Lyn Stahl – Oct 27, 2009 – http://www.counterpunch.org/stahl10272009.html

Hoping for a 3rd party to come along, and do away with the two party paradigm? Well, stay tuned because something is happening in a New York congressional race which portends that change is en route, but not the change you had in mind.

While she may have left politics in Alaska, over the past few days, Sarah Palin proved that she hasn’t left politics. The former Republican nominee for vice president has just given an enthusiastic thumbs-up to a 3rd party candidate in an upstate New York congressional race. The offseason election is being held to replace Rep.John McHugh who was recently appointed Army secretary by the president.

Why is a former governor from Alaska interested in a New York congressional race? Meddling seems to be an old school Republican pastime these days. Palin’s concern is palpable. She worries that the Republican candidate for the 23rd Congressional District, Dierdre Scozzafava, isn’t Republican enough. Would Ms. Scozzafava pass the Barry Goldwater smell test?

Well, the Albany assemblywoman gets the Newt Gingrich good housekeeping stamp of approval. She also has solid support from the National Rifle Association, but this doesn’t square with Sarah Palin. “There is no real difference between the Democrat and the Republican in this race,” pundit Palin says on her Facebook page.

Palin has elected to throw her full weight behind Doug Hoffman, the Conservative Party candidate, who best represents core Republican Party values like shrinking government, lowering taxes, and selectively affirming civil liberties..

Although Bill Owens, the Democrats in the race, leads both his Republican and Conservative counterparts by a healthy margin, many Republicans are concerned that Hoffman’s presence will ultimately result in a loss for the Republicans, an argument not unlike the one made against Ralph Nader by Democrats in 2000.

But, what’s happening here is quite different from what happened in 2000. The Green Party didn’t result from any seismic divide in the Democratic Party whereas, like an overzealous earthworm, the Republican Party appears to be splitting down the middle with half positioning itself as moderate on issues like choice, and gay marriage, like Scozzafava, and the other half insisting on being true to their Goldwater, Bircher roots. Trouble is, nobody seems to be able to convince the Bircher half that their roots are dyed.

It remains to be seen how this bifurcation plays out not just in this New York congressional race, but in the midterm election, and whether or not the Conservative Party, with or without Sarah Palin, becomes a tour de force in 2012.

Those who have been crying out for a 3rd party alternative to Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum can only chuckle at the prospect not of a Green Party White House victory, but that the Conservatives might accomplish in the U.S. what they’ve done in Canada, and be the first to successfully challenge the two-party system.

Jayne Lyn Stahl is a widely published poet, essayist, playwright, and screenwriter, member of PEN American Center, and PEN USA.

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32 responses

28 10 2009
bkeyser

Eo- did you happen to get a peak at the “By Request” set?

28 10 2009
Eowyn

Yes, and I’m most humbled…
It’s beautiful!

THANK YOU 😉

28 10 2009
giovanniworld

“This article was written by a leftie. This makes it even more interesting because the author thinks a conservative third party may well be viable.”

I agree with a leftie/lefty? for the first time in my life. Something tells me that a viable Conservative Party is more than just a possibility, it could be the new political power. Here’s the trick… If we can somehow keep them from being corrupted by D.C. we may actually get this country back on track!

Gio-

29 10 2009
Steve

It’s not just our Sarah who’s endorsing. I say Pawlentry and a few other big names endorsing Hoffman,…..somethings brewing and it smells good.

29 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Jim DeMint and Fred Thompson also endorse Hoffman. Two who will not endorse him are Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich. I don’t know why.

29 10 2009
Steve

muffin……we do not want Newt…..he should just go away with the rest of the tired old GOP………….and as fast as Huckabee…….I think he’s part of the same ole same ole. I personally do not see what people see in him. We better get somebody quick on the deck though. Pawlentey just dosn’t do it for me. I love Sarah, But I’m afraid people are too stupid to see how good she would be, maybe try her in VP. Who does that leave. Mitt, Fred, and I’ve always Liked Rudy…damn He’s my hero. I live in NY when he was Mayor and the things he did to reduce crime and he was at ground Zero when the towers came down, and it was Bernie Kerick who saved his life. There’s tons of footage showing them trying to outrun the debris cloud and just as it’s about to overtake them, Kerick kicks in the door of a store that’s closed. The camerman caught most of it till it went black. As it is they almost died cause they couldn’t really close the doors. He does have some marriage baggage, at least he did not leave his wife while she was in hospital like newt did. Who ever it is we need to start pounding the core values, cause that is what America is Longing to hear.

29 10 2009
Eowyn

Steve,

Giuliani was a great NY mayor, but he performed so miserably in the ’08 primaries, putting all his eggs in the Florida “basket” but not being able to even win that primary, that he doesn’t have a chance in 2012.

Besides, his wife is loathsome. Anybody still remember Giuliani interrupting a speech he was delivering to take a phone call from wife? The gall of that woman! Not to speak of the poor judgment of Giuliani himself. It made him appear he’s henpecked.

29 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Steve: I’ve always liked Fred Thompson. His values are the same as mine, and I would vote for him if he ran. I don’t think Sarah would stand a chance. Too many people have a pure hatred for her. I would also consider voting for Jim DeMint from SC. He’s been a great senator IMHO. Mitt Romney seems a little “slick” to me. Too much of a politician. Rudy’s marriage baggage shouldn’t be a problem after Slick Willie’s fiascos, but I’m sure people will hold it against him. I guess I have extremely high standards in my candidates, but maybe we should all be that discerning.

29 10 2009
Eowyn

How about Congresswoman Michele Bachmann?

29 10 2009
Doc's Wife

Michelle Bachman is brilliant, but the crazies have already attempted to go after her. I would hate to see what was done to Palin done to her; however they will use Sal Alinsky’s rules and use ridicule on anyone conservatives favor. They are pure evil!

29 10 2009
Steve

Rudy ran the worst campaign ever. Poor old Fred just doesn’t seem to have the fire in his belly. Michelle Bachman…….hmmm I like her and she can stand up to the slings. Romney is slick, but that’s what we need. Someone who can get in the trenches and fight……not like turn the other cheek McCain. He’s a great bussiness man.I think pretty conservative?..am I wrong on that part.?

29 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Steve: I’m not quite sure about Romney. Something about him makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Not a good sign. But, we all have our preferences.

Eowyn: Michele Bachmann is a viable candidate IMHO. She has the guts to stand up for her beliefs and she isn’t afraid of anyone. She hasn’t been totally vilified by the progressives yet.

29 10 2009
Eowyn

While Romney seems to have business-administrative smarts — he did a bang-up job as president & CEO of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City — there’s good reason why he makes the hair on the back of Muffin’s neck stand up!

As governor of Massachusetts, he crafted the health care plan there that is already insolvent. To be fair, he did veto sections of the health care legislation, but the legislature overrode all eight vetoes. And Massachusetts is a flaming liberal state.

As for Michele Bachmann, most certainly the Left will go after her with probably the same ferocity they did to Palin. But, that is the reality of conservative women and the hypocritical vile Left (aren’t they supposed to be pro-women?).

Politics is not for wusses. Happily, both Palin and Bachmann are tough courageous ladies!

29 10 2009
Tom in NC

I met Newt once at a book signing, as far as history is concerned he is a brillant historian, but his days as a politician are behind him. The same old, same old cannot apply anymore. The Republican party WAS a grand old party, but times have changed, the country has changed, we can no longer accept a politician simply because him or her has an R behind their name, that is no longer sufficient.

We need Conservatives, fiscally, socially and morally Conservatives, RINO’s need not apply. I liked Bush, but in the end he turned RINO and there are entirely too many of these type of Republicans infesting OUR party. The line between Democrats and Republicans has become too blurred, in too many cases it is getting harder and harder to tell them apart.

Despite what Newt and the liberals think it is time for a Conservative Party, the Conservative Movement has been in full swing and gaining momentum since the beginning of the year, Americans that never took a stand before, never showed interest in the political process other than pulling a lever in a voting booth or filling out a ballot are now making signs, showing up at protests and shouting down lying politicans at every turn.

Obama wanted change and he’s got it, he has changed complacent Americans into warriors that are going to fight him, Pelosi and Reid tooth and nail to prevent the socialization of our country.

29 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Just read this article about Sarah Palin on American Thinker. Seems like every time she posts something on Facebook, everyone listens:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/tuesdays_lessons_for_2010.html

29 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Want to contribute to Conservatives running for Senate?

Chairman: Jim DeMint (A true conservative)

http://www.senateconservatives.com/

29 10 2009
giovanniworld

May I warn everyone that we need not get pulled down into the weeds on who’s running for President, and who’s not. It’s much too early. Keep in mind that we got stuck with McCain as the GOP candidate because so many of us were so busy tearing down the other GOP contenders.

With all that being said, here’s my 2 cents worth…
Rudy was a great Mayor, but probably not cut out for the presidency. He won’t run again.
Mitt has proven to be a weathervane. He goes in the direction of the current political winds. Not to be trusted to govern by Conservative principles. He may run again.
Fred would have been a great president, but he got destroyed by the media with soundbites like “he just doesn’t seem to have the fire in his belly”. When in fact, he stated from the beginning that he would be happy to be president if the people want him. He was not going to campaign like it’s the all consuming one thing in his life he must accomplish. When the media found out that running for office was not his lifes goal, they turned on him and brought out the ‘lazy’, ‘fire in the belly’ script. He won’t run again.
Mikeand Mitt shared a problem… they both made issue with each others religion. If Mike Huckabee runs again he’s going to be eaten alive by the most vicious media attacks we have ever seen. Keep in mind that making fun of Christians and Christianity in general, has become very popular. I personally like Mike, but I don’t want him as president for the simple fact that he would be waaay too polarizing. But, if the choice is between him and Obama, you know what I’m doing! He will run again.
McCain Lord help us! Let’s pray he doesn’t run again.
Duncan Hunter Great all-around Conservative, but not cut out for the Big Show. He won’t run again.

Ok, let me jump to a real possibility… Sarah Palin. I think Sarah will gain more respectability after people read her upcoming book. Plus, Sarah does NOT have to be genius level smart, just smart enough to put the right people in the right places. I like her because she truly represents the American spirit, something our children and grandchildren know nothing about. She is definately running!

Jim DeMint is a guy I could vote for because he’s an all-around Conservative, but Sarah would still be my choice. It looks as if he will run.

Well, that’s my opinionated opinion. What do you think?

Gio-

29 10 2009
DCG

Concur with your thoughts Gio. If The Traitor can get elected without any genius level smarts, knowledge of the private sector, military background, and Marxists goals, then Sarah has a great chance. Conservatives are waking up and about time we take our country back before it’s too far gone.

Three years from now this country will be begging for some level of competence, pride for our country, and a leader with real skills.

29 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Jim DeMint/Sarah Palin 2012

29 10 2009
giovanniworld

missmuffin,

Curious… why not Palin/DeMint?

Gio-

29 10 2009
Eowyn

Ditto!

29 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

I don’t think people would vote Palin/DeMint as quickly as they would DeMint/Palin. I’m not against Sarah running for prez, but I just don’t see it happening in 2012. IMHO.

29 10 2009
giovanniworld

missmuffin,

I just watched the first few minutes of O’Reilly. He and Glenn Beck made a good observation… Sarah would actually get more support and could possibly have a better chance of winning if she went 3rd party. If she did this it would mean a whole new ball-game. One which would make me dance around my house.

Gio-

30 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Gio, I also watched that segment on O’Reilly. I hope I am wrong about people not voting for Sarah in 2012. I would certainly vote for her and my hubby just adores her. Seems to me that people either love Sarah or hate her. There is no middle ground. I don’t know who she might pick for a running mate? Any ideas? Would some Repubs be willing to switch to a third party? I know, too many questions. 🙂

29 10 2009
DCG

I really like the conservative logo bkeyser!

30 10 2009
Steve

Sarah’s got my vote. For some funny reason I think she ticks off the Women….I don’t know if it’s jeolosy or what. But I think she will have had 3 years to bone up on every subject and will be brilliant on every topic. Bring on the MSM, she will spit them out. Any body else get that feeling about the womens vote?

30 10 2009
Eowyn

Sarah ticks off liberal women AND men!

I love Sarah. Unlike every male GOP 2012 likely candidates, she’s got charisma galore and speaks right to the hearts of conservatives.

30 10 2009
Steve

Of cours she ticks Libs off..they are scared to death of her. No I kind of meant our sides women…..or am I off base here?

30 10 2009
Eowyn

The only conservative women I can think of are Peggy Noonan and Kathleen Parker who expressed reservations about Sarah last year. But then, there were allegedly conservative men who were also critical, e.g., David Brooks.

Steve, do you know of conservative women who are anti-Sarah? Even if they are, it may not be because of jealousy. There are legitimate reasons to be somewhat reserved about Sarah. I hope she’s using the time “off” to, as you said earlier, “bone up” on her knowledge of foreign affairs and, well, just knowledge in general. She needs to both broaden and deepen her knowledge base.

30 10 2009
Steve

Eowyn…It’s not “famous Woman” per say. It’s just a feeling I get from reading diff threads. I seem to feel some of the comments I can definitly tell by the venom where by the libs, but others there was a slight diff to tone….maybe I’m imagining it, but they seemed like just other reg Mom’s who did not like her for what ever reason. Maybe I’m reading to much into it. Just call it a feeling. Is there any way to see a breakdown on how the vote went..i.e.conservative….GOP men/Women for Sarah and then Men Women traditionally…..

30 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

The thing I like most about Sarah is she understands what it means to work for a living. She understands our everyday problems. As hubby says, “She wasn’t born with a silver spoon in her mouth and she’s not a lawyer!”

30 10 2009
littlemissmuffin

Here’s an interesting video discussing Sarah Palin. Laura Ingraham (sitting in for O’Reilly) asks the question, “Are feminists jealous of Sarah Palin.” It’s about 6 minutes long, but it’s worth watching:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=11140482&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

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