What You Need To Know About H1N1 “Swine” Flu

15 09 2009

swine flu

I’ve been following the H1N1 or Swine Flu virus-vaccine for some months now. I haven’t posted on Giovanni’s World because what I’ve read was so complex, contradictory, upsetting, and downright confusing.

And so I kept postponing writing on this increasingly pressing issue.

It is now time to do so — even though I don’t have clarity on this subject because it is most likely I will never achieve clarity. Here’s why:

I learnt from the writings of two very wise men, psychiatrist M. Scott Peck and theologian Malachi Martin, that a hallmark of evil is CONFUSION. In his best-selling book, People of the Lie, Dr. Peck wrote that even the wisest and most secure adult will usually experience confusion in the presence of evil. The reason is simple: lies are confusing.[i] For his part, Martin called confusion “a prime weapon” of evil.[ii] (For a discussion of the supernatural dimension of evil, go HERE and HERE.)

It is precisely the confusion surrounding H1N1 that has led to suspicions of conspiracy. The conspiracy is attributed variously to:

  1. A shadowy global elite (dubbed “Powers That Be” by some) intent on reducing the world’s 6+ billion population to a “sustainable” number [see this video]; or
  2. Governments around the world, including the Obama administration, who intend to use mandatory vaccination as a means to seize all power.

[Note that 1 & 2 are not mutually exclusive.]

These whispers of conspiracy, of course, just add to the confusion.

So, instead of a post with answers about the H1N1 flu virus-vaccine, I’ll ask questions and point to aspects that are troubling.

What is the H1N1 Flu?

Beginning in March 2008, an outbreak of a new strain of influenza commonly referred to as “swine flu” infected many people in Mexico. It then spread to other parts of the world, causing illness ranging from mild to severe.

The swine flu virus is any strain of the influenza family of viruses that is endemic in pigs. A subtype is influenza A known as H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2, and H2N3. Swine flu virus is common throughout pig populations worldwide. Direct transmission from pigs to humans is rare, with only 12 cases in the U.S. since 2005. Even when the swine flu virus is transmitted to humans, it does not always lead to human flu.

The flu pandemic that began in Mexico in 2008 often is misnamed “swine flu” because initial testing showed many of the genes in the virus were similar to flu viruses normally occurring in North American pigs.  Further research however showed that the outbreak is due to a new strain of H1N1 not previously reported in pigs.

This H1N1 flu virus is one of the descendants of the strain that caused the terrible 1918 flu pandemic, estimated to have killed 50 to 100 million people worldwide. It is the 1918 precedent that accounts for fears that H1N1 will become a major global pandemic this winter, with many countries planning major vaccination  campaigns.

Who is Most Vulnerable?

Unlike the seasonal flu viruses that most affect the elderly and the infirmed, H1N1 seems to most afflict the young (children, adolescents, and young adults) and pregnant women.

Also vulnerable are people with preexisting health conditions like asthma, obesity, diabetes, and heart problems

Was H1N1 Artificially Created?

The Internet is replete with allegations that the H1N1 flu virus is an artificial man-made virus, created in some lab. For example:

  • One claim is that the virus was frozen in a Russian or Chinese laboratory freezer since 1950, but was released, either by intent or accident, in 1977.
  • An Australian virologist Adrian Gibbs submitted a paper to the WHO that the new H1N1 flu virus was accidentally made in a lab. Gibbs is a 75 year old retired virologist with 40 years experience. His assertion is based on his analysis of  available gene sequencing information about the H1N1virus. WHO denies his claim.
  • One blog, dated Sept. 2, 2009 claims that in 2006, an official inter-departmental document, Services & Global Procurement pan IOT Europe, Pandemic Plan Overview,”  was distributed to upper-level management of IBM, France. This secret document predicted a “planned‟ pandemic described as having a “100% chance of occurring within the next 5 years.” The document then described “quarantines” and operational procedures to be taken upon the official announcements of the “pandemic” by the WHO. The blog notes that foreknowledge of such an event could not exist, unless the pandemic was a planned event. This IBM memo therefore is the “smoking gun‟ that the H1N1 flu “pandemic” is an orchestrated event. The alleged IBM document is posted on the blog.

How serious is the H1N1 Flu?

On the one hand, we are told the anticipated second wave of the Swine Flu will have devastating consequences:

  • The World Health Organization (WHO) has called H1N1 a Level 6 pandemic.  WHO estimates that as many as 2 billion people — one-third of the world’s population — could become infected over the next two years. Although most cases are expected to be mild, requiring no treatment, WHO fears that a rash of new infections could overwhelm hospitals and health authorities, especially in poorer countries.
  • On August 31, 2009, the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology released a report that says 1.8 million Americans could become seriously ill this fall and as many as 90,000 could die.
  • In August 2009, the director of New York’s Metropolitan Funeral Directors Association told a gathering of funeral home representatives that they need to be prepared for as many as 85,000 deaths from H1N1 this winter.

On the other hand, we are told that the H1N1 flu may be no worse, perhaps even milder than regular seasonal flu:

  • Here’s a report that the UK’s most senior doctor, Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson said on Sept. 3, 2009, that only an estimated 19,000 people would die from the virus under the “worst case scenario” in Britain — a significant drop from the figure of 65,000 given in July. Cases of confirmed swine flu in the UK continue to drop, with only 4,500 diagnosed in the first week of September, down from a high of 100,000 a month ago. There has also been a 26% decrease in people consulting their doctors with flu-like symptoms. As of Sept. 3, the death toll from H1N1 in the UK was 70 — which is not that different from death tolls from regular seasonal flu.
  • In fact, on May 5, 2009, none other than U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said the same: “What the epidemiologists are seeing now with this particular strain of [H1N1 flu] is that the severity of the disease, the severity of the flu — how sick you get — is not stronger than regular seasonal flu.”
  • A regular seasonal flu epidemic accounts for roughly 35,000 fatalities each year in the United States. As of May this year, the worldwide number of confirmed cases of H1N1 flu topped 1,080 — which is hardly a pandemic.
  • Wikipedia says that the 2009 swine flu has been compared to other similar types of influenza virus in terms of mortality: “in the US it appears that for every 1000 people who get infected, about 40 people need admission to hospital and about one person dies”

How Safe Is the H1N1 Flu Vaccine?

One of the most astounding and ridiculous things about H1N1 is that vaccinations have already begun before human trials! Trials for the experimental H1N1 flu vaccine began only today, September 15, 2009, in Thornton, Colorado. They are conducted by Novartis, a bio-pharmaceutical company that manufactures the vaccine.

There are claims that the H1N1 flu vaccine:

 

For an account by British investigative medical journalist Janine Robert of the methods by which vaccines and their hidden ingredients are prepared, go HERE.

Is the H1N1 flu vaccine mandatory?

On the one hand, the H1N1 vaccine is mandatory in the following countries and places:

  • On Sept. 9, 2009, China became the first country in the world to mandate mass inoculation with the H1N1 flu vaccine.
  • H1N1 vaccines are also mandatory in UAE, Canada, Brussels, Italy, France, and Australia.
  • In Massachusetts on April 28, 2009, the state Senate passed S-2028 — the “pandemic response bill” that says if there is a swine flu pandemic and you do not get the H1N1 vaccine, you can be ordered into quarantine.  If you refuse the quarantine, you can face a fine of $1,000 per day. The bill also compels health providers to vaccinate citizens, and authorizes forceful entry into private dwellings and destruction of citizen property. The bill was also approved by the House of the Massachusetts state legislature (see Update #4 below).
  • In August 2009, the Times Union reports that New York’s State Hospital Review and Planning Council adopted a new emergency regulation requiring all hospital workers get the H1N1 vaccine. Workers must get the vaccine by November 30th, or face losing their jobs. On September 30, 2009, it was reported that hundreds of health care workers will rally in Albany, NY, angry that they are being made to receive H1N1 flu shots.  The protestors say their rights are being violated and that they can not be forced to get a H1N1 flu shot.
  • The Charleston, W. Virginia, Medical Center did likewise.
  • UPI reports on Sept. 26 that Hospital Corp. of America, with clinics and hospitals in 20 states, is requiring its 120,000 employees to be vaccinated.
  • 50 U..S. states have school-entry requirements for vaccines with only West Virginia and Mississippi NOT allowing exemptions on religious grounds; 20 states (Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, California, Colorado, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin) allow for philosophical objections.  All states allow exemptions for medical reasons (eg. allergy to a vaccine component like peanuts or eggs). While private schools are not directly subject to these requirements, most of them in the USA require a similar vaccination schedule as their state’s public schools. Only North Carolina requires vaccination of home-schooled children.
  • H1N1 flu vaccination is mandatory for the U.S. military. Active duty forces deploying to war zones and other critical areas are at the front of the vaccine line. National Guard troops on active duty are also required to receive the vaccine, as are civilian Defense Department employees who are in critical jobs.
  • The latest allegation is that Oklahoma is considering mandatory H1N1 vaccine. Here’s a video posted earlier today by audacious GiovanniWorld member Conservative A-Hole (formerly known as Booyah):

On the other hands, the following are countries that do not believe the H1N1 flu virus is a dangerous contaminating disease, and so are refusing to mandate the vaccine:

  • Czech Republic’s government has REFUSED the H1N1 Vaccine.
  • Sweden will not mandate the H1N1 vaccination.
  • Spain had called for “a kissing ban” to contain the H1N1.

But then, a survey of U.S. doctors who are General Practitioners says as many as 60% of GPs may choose not to be vaccinated against the H1N1 flu, with many concerned about the safety of the vaccine.

What pro-lifers should know about the H1N1 flu vaccine

H/t Art of New Wineskins!

Of all the information, rumors, and speculation surrounding the H1N1 flu vaccine, I am most disturbed by Joseph Herrin’s August 14 blog, “Hell’s Pharmacy”. The H1N1 vaccine may have been made from the cell line of an aborted fetus, dubbed “Percy Six.” I’m not kidding.

This is deeply diabolical.

Here are excerpts from “Hell’s Pharmacy”:

…it usually takes 6 to 9 months to develop a flu vaccine AFTER the flu strain has been identified. The traditional process is to inject viral material into chicken eggs and then to harvest the antibodies that are produced. This is a time intensive process, and a way to speed up the production of vaccine has been sought, and has been found.

The foremost way to streamline the process involves taking human cells, instead of eggs, and using them as the medium in which to grow the viral material to produce the desired vaccine. In looking into this new process, I found that one company in particular has a line of cellular material that they license to other major pharmaceutical companies so that they can create pharmaceutical products. These products include flu vaccines.

The company is called Crucell. It actually has multiple lines of human cell material, but one in particular, called PER.C6, is marketed to be used to develop vaccines. What the company does not announce publicly is that the cell line was derived from an aborted baby.

PER.C6 cells are derived from embryonic retina cells of an aborted fetus. These cells were taken from the eye of a baby aborted in 1972 and frozen. In 1985 they were unfrozen and used to start this cell line. This aborted baby’s cells have been reproduced and distributed to other pharmaceutical companies to be injected into millions of people’s bodies. This cell line is pronounced as “Percy Six.”

The United States Food and Drug Administration is aware of the source of this cell line. In 2001 the FDA held meetings at which testimony was given concerning PER.C6.

Crucell states on their website that the PER.C6 cell line has been marketed to other pharmaceutical companies and has been used in a number of vaccines. According to the company’s website, “PER.C6® technology is being used in Crucell’s programs for the development of vaccines against tuberculosis, malaria, influenza, Ebola and Marburg.” Added to this list is now H1N1 swine flu vaccine.

Listed among Crucell’s customers for its PER.C6 cell line are some of the world’s largest drug makers. One of them is Sanofi Pasteur. According to their website, they are using the PER.C6 cell line for their swine flu vaccine, and the United States Department of Health and Human Services has awarded them a contract.

The U.S. government recently contracted with Novartis to deliver $289 million dollars worth of flu vaccine. Novartis declares on their website that they are using cell-based technology to speed up the process, instead of the older egg based technology. According to Crucell’s website, Novartis contracted with them to use PER.C6 in December, 2004. You can view the following page to identify all companies that have contracted to use this aborted fetal line.

There is an alternative, ethical H1N1 vaccine

In June 2009, a Catholic pro-life group announced that newly developed H1N1 vaccine is being made using ethical cell lines.

  • Novartis says it had created an experimental vaccine through a canine kidney cell-based technology that seems to be faster than the standard method, which relies on chicken eggs. Over 30 countries have reportedly requested supply of the vaccine, including the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
  • Novavax is using insect cell lines.
  • Baxter is using Vero cell lines.
  • Protein Science is using caterpillar cell lines.

With these ethical H1N1 vaccine alternatives, although pharmaceutical companies such as Sanofi Pasteur and Medimmune reportedly are still using aborted fetal cell line PER C6 as their cell culture, there is now no reason to use H1N1 vaccines made from aborted fetal cell lines.

UPDATE #1 (9/16/09):

The Food and Drugs Administration approved a vaccine for H1N1 from the following four manufacturers. The first two vaccines are produced ethically. Please see Update #17 (11/2/09) below for the latest information!

  1. CSL Ltd. (of Australia)
  2. Novarits (of Switzerland)
  3. MedImmune (of Maryland)
  4. Sanofi Pasteur (of France)

UPDATE #2 (9/16/09):

Here’s an excellent website giving 18 reasons why we shouldn’t get the H1N1 vaccine (h/t Jess!).

UPDATE #3 (9/17/09):

I only just found this out — and it’s a doozy.

It’ll make civil libertarians scream “Big Brother!” and Bible prophecy believers whisper “Mark of the Beast”….

On November 21, 2008, the city of Boston (Mass.) began “a novel experiment” – one of the first in the United States – aimed at eventually creating a citywide registry of everyone who has had a flu vaccination. Beginning that day, people who got immunizations at the headquarters of the Boston Public Health Commission each got a bracelet printed with a unique identifier bar code. The name, age, gender, and address of those who were vaccinated and what shots they got are entered into handheld devices like those used by UPS deliverers.

Boston says the resulting vaccination map would pinpoint which neighborhoods had been vaccinated and which hadn’t, so as to allow “swift intervention” in the latter “vulnerable” neighborhoods. The same registry would also be useful in the event of a bio-terrorism attack, but instead of flu vaccinations, it would be shots of antidotes.

UPDATE #4 (9/23/09):

Both houses of the state legislature of Massachusetts have now approved the unconstitutional “pandemic response bill.” All it needs for the bill to become law is Democratic Governor Deval Patrick’s signature. He already said he’ll sign the bill.

UPDATE #5 (9/24/09):

A whopping 85% of Canadians in a U. of Toronto survey are willing to suspend their individual rights and liberties in the name of a flu epidemic, agreeing that governments should have the power to suspend such rights as traveling, assemble, and school closures. Half of the random sample also agreed that violation of a quarantine order would be tantamount to manslaughter.

UPDATE #6 (9/25/09):

Four Canadian studies of about 2,000 people found people who had received the seasonal flu vaccine in the past were more likely to get sick with the H1N1 virus. The research is considered preliminary, which requires more validation.

UPDATE #7 (9/26/09):

A U. of Michigan study found that only 40% of America’s parents plan to have their children receive the H1N1 flu vaccine. Only one-third of parents believe that H1N1 will be worse than regular seasonal flu.

UPDATE #8 (9/28/09):

A draft of an “isolation order” was discovered on the CDC’s website. It is a template for state and local officials to impose quarantines and what would effectively be martial law. “Your illness [as determined by state and local officials] requires that you be isolated and requires further public health investigation and monitoring.” Failure to obey will result in imprisonment without bail prior to trial and the possiblity of a two year prison term.

UPDATE #9 (9/30/09):

iHundreds of health care workers will rally in Albany, NY, angry that they are being made to receive H1N1 flu shots.  The protestors say their rights are being violated and that they can not be forced to get a H1N1 flu shot.

A top U.S. military commander says troops will begin getting required swine flu shots in the next week to 10 days. Active duty forces deploying to war zones and other critical areas are at the front of the vaccine line. National Guard troops on active duty are also required to receive the vaccine, as are civilian Defense Department employees who are in critical jobs.

Trends Research Institute Director Gerald Celente forecasts that if the threat of government-forced H1N1 flu vaccinations is realized, it will be the fourth shot (of the second American Revolution). “Tens of millions will fight for their right to remain free and unvaccinated.”

UPDATE #10 (10/1/09):

The CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) announced today that the H1N1 flu is now widespread across the whole country. As of late August, 100 pregnant women had been hospitalized in intensive care, and 28 had died since the beginning of the outbreak in April. A 23-year-old recruit in basic training in Fort Jackson, S.C., was acknowledged to be the U.S. Army’s first H1N1 flu death. Specialist Christopher M. Hogg of Deltona, Fla., fell ill on Sept. 1 and died of pneumonia on Sept. 10.

UPDATE #11 (10/2/09):

A new study found that people exposed to the deadly 1918 Spanish flu pandemic while still in their mother’s womb were about 20% more likely to have heart disease 60 years later.

According to the AAPS (Association of American Physicians and Surgeons) Fact Sheet on Mandatory Vaccines:

  • 42 states have mandatory vaccine policies;
  • The CDC admits that the reported number of adverse effects of vaccines is probably only 10% of actual adverse effects.
  • The vaccine approval process has  been contaminated by flawed or incomplete clinical trials, and government officials have chosen to ignore negative results.
  • Rampant conflicts of interest in the approval process has been the subject of several Congressional hearings, and a recent Congressional report concluded that the pharmaceutical industry has indeed exerted undue influence on mandatory vaccine legislation toward its own financial interests.
  • Mandatory vaccines violate the medical ethic of informed consent. Mandates for vaccines by school districts and legislatures is the de facto practice of medicine without a license.

UPDATE #12 (10/16/09):

Health care workers in New York will no longer be forced to get the H1N1 swine flu vaccine because a state Supreme Court judge issued a restraining order today against the state from enforcing the controversial mandatory vaccination. The Public Employees Federation, New York State United Teachers, and an attorney representing four Albany nurses sued to reverse the mandatory vaccination policy, arguing that state Health Commissioner Richard Daines overstepped his authority. For now, vaccination for nurses, doctors, aides, and non-medical staff members who might be in a patient’s room will remain voluntary.

UPDATE #13 (10/20/09):

A study by two Purdue University professors, published in the Oct. 15 issue of the scientific journal Eurosurveillance, maintains that the H1N1 vaccine will arrive too late to help most Americans who will be infected during this flu season. The study also estimates that the virus will infect about 60% of the U.S. population, although only about 25% of Americans will fall ill.

UPDATE #14 (10/21/09):

Der Spiegel reports that Germany’s politicians, government officials, and military are receiving an alternative, safer H1N1 vaccine than that for the “common people.”

There’s increasing skepticism about the efficacy of flu shots in general — that the correlation between people who got flu shots and good health may be spurious, i.e., the same people who are strive to maintain a healthy life style also tend to be people who get flu shorts. In effect, such folks would not get the flu any way, regardless of being vaccinated or not.

UPDATE #15 (10/22/09):

If you’ve been diagnosed with the H1N1 virus in recent months, odds are you didn’t have H1N1 flu, according to state-by-state test results obtained in a three-month-long CBS News investigation.

UPDATE #16 (10/26/09):

Obama declared a National (H1N1 flu) Emergency on Saturday, October 17, 2009.

The October 8, 2009, New England Journal of Medicine featured two recent studies that the H1N1 flu virus may be more intense than previously thought. CDC research this past spring found that 7% of Americans sick enough to be hospitalized with the H1N1 flu have died. That 7% is a higher mortality rate than ordinary seasonal flu. 25% of Americans sick enough to be hospitalized with H1N1 ended up in intensive care units. Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University flu expert,  warned: “Contrary to the perception among many people that this influenza, the novel H1N1, is mild, these data vividly demonstrate that this influenza can make you very, very ill.”

UPDATE #17 (11/2/09):

According to a September 21, 2009 press release by Children of God for Life (CGL)– a website devoted to ethical/unethical vaccines — all four H1N1 flu vaccines approved by the FDA are ethical, that is, they do not use aborted fetal cell lines.

The press release, however, is somewhat confusing because, at the same time as CGL announced that all four FDA H1N1 vaccines are ethical, it also said the following:

“Several pharmaceutical companies such as Medimmune, Protein Science and Novavax are developing these future flu vaccines using a moral cell culture, such as MDCK or insect cells.  But some manufacturers like Sanofi Pasteur and Vaxin are developing their cell culture vaccines using aborted fetal cell line, PER C6.”

Since Sanofi Pasteur (SP) is one of the four FDA approved H1N1 vaccine manufacturers, are we to understand that while SP’s 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine is ethical, SP’s future vaccines will be unethical because they will be produced from PER C6?

~Eowyn


[i] M. Scott Peck, M.D., People of the Lie (New York: Touchstone, 1983),  pp. 62, 66.

 

[ii] Malachi Martin, Hostage to the Devil (HarperSanFrancisco, 1992), p. 25.

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22 responses

15 09 2009
mike hurcum

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15075

This should be enough to make anyone think. I am sure your bright eyed and bushy tailed eople can follow this up with US information

16 09 2009
K Williams

What should raise your eyebrows is when the government says all is well while hiding data. I by no means believe in the conspiracy theories of population reduction or manufactured virus. But, I do believe that during a fragile economy they have made a decision to let a dangerous virus roll through your community without any kind of preventative measures. The sound advise of using mask and closing schools have been replaced with the all is well motto all in order to keep the sheep calm. State and federal agencies have made it impossible to find reliable data on local infections by delay reporting of cases or not reporting at all. School systems who have become riddled with the virus refuse to release attendance records, individual cases or even what schools are being affected in order to keep attendance high for federal and state dollars.

Meanwhile, the infection continues to grow. In the week of August 30th to Sept 5th reported hospitalizations rose by 16% nationwide. Deaths rose by 33% in just this one week. (Bear in mind the delayed reporting I mentioned, For these figures are probably higher). Hospitalizations reached nearly 11000 people for the week ending Sept. 5th. But yet the mainstream media remains silent. Parents with children with pre-existing conditions have no way to determine weather the school they send their child to has a problem or not. Thus daily they have to play rush and roulette with their child.

I will say most people will get this flu and get over it fine. But , there will be a large percentage of people that will either be hospitalized or die from this virus. The governments stance on withholding information from the public is a kin to mass murder in my opinion. If they had simply followed Asia’s example of preventative measures you would have far less consequences to this virus. In Asia , if something breaks out people put on their mask and are just more cautious. Thus the economy rolls on. Here the consequences of allowing the virus to roll through will be a medical system strained to it’s limit, deaths that could have been prevented, and a economy that will probably suffer worse because of these bad decisions by the Obama administration.

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16 09 2009
Eowyn

UPDATE:

The Food and Drugs Administration just approved a vaccine for H1N1 from the following four manufacturers. Note that the last two are developed from the aborted “Percy6″ fetal cell line!

1. CSL Ltd. (of Australia)
2. Novarits (of Switzerland)
3. Sanofi Pasteur (of France)
4. MedImmune (of Maryland)

I’ve already decided I will NOT get the vaccine. Off I go to the bus – and concentration camp!

16 09 2009
DCG

Uh…guess whose name I can tie to at least two of these companies? Hint – the master puppeteer…

Even as I’m home for the 2nd day in a row with a mild case of the flu, I will NOT get this shot. I know two people who received flu vaccinations and were sick for WEEKS afterward.

16 09 2009
Eowyn

Deb,

Sorry to hear you are down with the flu. No wonder you’ve been posting during the daytime hours, instead of after work.

Hope you get better soon. ;)

16 09 2009
littlemissmuffin

Deb,

Feel better soon. Drink plenty of fluids so you don’t get dehydrated. Let us know how you’re doing!

16 09 2009
Bob

Thank You DCG for staying home with the flu, much better than getting vaccine , or going to work sick and passing it around.
I pray you get well soon, ditto on muffin’s advice.

I would like to say also that all the posters on this site give me hope, that honest true americans do exist, and do believe in God.

You all are wonderful!!!

16 09 2009
DCG

Thanks all….it’s a mild case. I’m visiting my doc tmrw morning then back to work – ugh!

16 09 2009
Eowyn

Thanks, Bob.
I’m so glad you found Gio’s World! ;)

16 09 2009
Bob

My wife and I talked about this last night. A co-worker of hers was forced to take a vaccine while in the military and he ended up with a serious allergy. He can’t eat eggs, milk and tomatoes among other things.

Eowyn, save us a seat on the bus!

16 09 2009
Eowyn

That bus is getting mighty crowded! LOL.

We’ll have good company — laughing and singing all the way to the camp. ;)

16 09 2009
Jess

18 Reasons Why
You Should NOT Vaccinate Your Children Against The Flu this Season:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi119.html

16 09 2009
Eowyn

Thanks, Jess!

I’ve updated my post with your recommendation ;)

16 09 2009
Bob

Thanks Jess, sent via email to my wife and she is sending it out to her email list of friends.

17 09 2009
Eowyn

UPDATE #3 (9/17/09):

I only just found this out — and it’s a doozy.

It’ll make civil libertarians scream “Big Brother!” and Bible prophecy believers whisper “Mark of the Beast”….

On November 21, 2008, the city of Boston (Mass.) began “a novel experiment” – one of the first in the United States – aimed at eventually creating a citywide registry of everyone who has had a flu vaccination. Beginning that day, people who got immunizations at the headquarters of the Boston Public Health Commission each got a bracelet printed with a unique identifier bar code. The name, age, gender, and address of those who were vaccinated and what shots they got are entered into handheld devices like those used by UPS deliverers.

Boston says the resulting vaccination map would pinpoint which neighborhoods had been vaccinated and which hadn’t, so as to allow “swift intervention” in the latter “vulnerable” neighborhoods. The same registry would also be useful in the event of a bio-terrorism attack, but instead of flu vaccinations, it would be shots of antidotes.

25 09 2009
Ronnie

I’m an RN and I already signed my delicnation for vaccination. Make room for one more!

25 09 2009
giovanniworld

Ronnie,

Earlier in the week I was in my Doctors office waiting to get blood taken from me when I struck up a conversation with one of the nurses that I know. This particular Drs. group has 7 full time Docs, 6 full time nurses, 8 full time office personel, 3 pharmacists, 2 lab techs, and a full time office manager.

The nurse I was speaking to said that not one of the people in that building, including the Docs, are going to get the swine flu shot when it becomes available. She said that nobody wants to be a Guinea-Pig for the drug companies.

Gio-

27 09 2009
Russ Jones

I am writing a story on H1N1/Swine Flu/Vaccine – Can you please send me your contact information? I am on deadline.

Kindest Regards,
Russ Jones
russ@christianpress.com

27 09 2009
Eowyn

Russ,

I sent you a private e-mail!

2 10 2009
Eowyn

Gio’s World readers,

FYI, I’ve updated this post on the H1N1flu vaccine!

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